Steve Leser talks to Governor Bill Richardson about North Korea and negotiation


Making Sense host Steve Leser talks to Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. His new book, How to Sweet-Talk a Shark: Strategies and Stories From a Master Negotiator, recounts his negotiations with leaders of some of the world’s most powerful regimes. 

Richardson, a former member of the Clinton administration, talks about his fallout with the Clintons. His relationship with them became strained when Richardson endorsed Barack Obama for the 2008 presidential election. 

Leser and Richardson also discuss Richardson’s visits to North Korea to negotiate the release of American prisoners. Richardson believes that “it’s best to engage these people rather than isolate them.” He claims that dictators are motivated primarily by power, rather than wealth, and that the most effective way to reach them is through “international sanctions that affect their personal power, their bank accounts, their ability to travel.

Leser also speaks to Congresswoman Barbara Lee.

Listen to the episode here.

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